Are you afraid of anything?
Yes, but it’s not death. On my tombstone I want the words: he laughed. (Laughs) Never mind: I don’t want a tombstone; they’re a waste of the time of the living as well as the longer time of being dead.
So what is it that frightens you? You are always skirting the issue of fear!
Oh, my dear friend! You are always plaguing life with fear! Fear fear fear everywhere! They are banes on human existence: fear, laziness–and stupidity! But I will tell you in any case, since you insist upon it. It’s something rather stupid itself, but ever since you mentioned last night the possibility that our consciousnesses, at some time in the future, will be locked up in some type of digital encasement.
This frightens you? What I told you last night about the one chance humanity has to achieve immortality?
Yes, I guess it’s that most of all, achieving immortality, that scares me without relent. What does it even mean? Come to think of it, there’s nothing worse under the sun–than the sun never setting!
You’re saying that it’s better to live with the knowledge of death–
–Yes, so that the life may have the ending it’s been hurling itself towards. It’s not a mistake, that is, we’re not saying the wrong words, when we say of the dead that they are resting. It is a deserved rest, the internment of the human body, at the close of an undeserved–no one deserves it!–few or more moments on the earth. We are tossed onto the earth’s surface as though in a hurry, away from nothingness, only to make our way towards it again, hurrying our whole life long with the background of our species’ trials and error haunting us: it’s injustice layered on top of injustice; the first thing we should do, crammed up on the crust of the earth the way that we are is–exit! Exit from existence!
Well, that’s rather bold of you to say. I mean, yesterday you spoke in a different tune, you told me that you are ready to live this life innumerable times over? Didn’t you say that to me?
Yes, I did.
Innumerable times over, that’s what you said. I remember feeling that that was unbearable, such a forced immortality, having to live through life countless times. Now you tell me you don’t want immortality, you want to exit. It seems to me all rather contradictory.
I understand why you tell me this now, but I meant what I told you last night. The eternal recurrence, as I understand it, is a different kind of immortality, much different from the deliberate achievement of it you proposed to me before we retired to bed last night. Circular spinning, circular immortality, does not have to do with keeping your identity the way your digital reservoir of brains does. The circle of eternal return accepts the demise of the individual, it accepts the demise of the species, it accepts the perishing and wastefulness of all that is. Only it returns: this is the only snag in the course of things, that it starts all over. There’s no sense of the interminable duration of your awareness. When the circle folds back upon itself, after a life well- or ill-lived, it’s as though it happens but once, there is no taking hold of the former iterations of its turning. It chilled me to think that my role in the scheme of things would never let go, it would hang on in the most desperate way to the thoughts it has, to its experiences, to its little name and smaller worries, going back and forth within itself to no end, and to no avail.
What would you say if it happens, that you no longer want the world in which it does to come back? Why does your affirmation–you are always taking such affirmative stances; in fact, you said the affirmation of the eternal recurrence cannot be beat–why does your affirmation stop short of this rather minor detail?
Minor detail? It’s not a minor detail! It’s the denial, if ever there was one, of the game existence plays on us. The project to attain not only some immortality but the recognition, the ownership, of that immortality is the greatest blasphemy in the face of what is!
So what do you propose? If, right around the corner of human history, there comes a time when human beings have the opportunity to upload their thoughts, their very brains, to the Cloud or some indestructible database, if this happens, what will you do? You will tell everyone No, love the earth! For that’s what you said to me last night. Love the earth, and do not let it scare you! You said this and you were drunk with a kind of prophetic yes-saying. But if at bottom human beings cannot bear merely passing like a dust storm on the face of the earth and from that face, if they make a way to mitigate their destruction, here you fall into your own curse. It seems that eternal recurrence is itself a crutch, if it does not allow the human to go on its course remorselessly. I would say that whatever happens on this earth, whether it be insanity, the search for some pleasure or joy, whether it be ceaseless suffering, should be pronounced the best thing. If we are not to fear, as you said, then why fear this one thing above all others? You know, maybe there’s no other way to be human than to have such wishes. Maybe that’s what the whole of our lives is careening towards, the fulfillment of our terrifying dream–
–No! Anything but to remain in life! I will return, sure, I will always come back to the joys and sorrows of life, but to stay–oh, what a ghastly possibility! How I cannot bear it! How I wish, among all the fruitless ideas the human has concocted, this one had never appeared! How I wish, if I may dare say, to leave you now!











