Philosophy Poetry Madness — Dust
Once the rage settled down
The world grew manifold green things again.
There was room to expand,
Send shoots of fantasy out into the deep,
Unknown worlds becoming real,
The real world becoming unknown,
Unknowable, lost, like
The teacup at the tea ritual
Lost by the monk who expressed no remorse,
But also no kindness, like it was lost as well.
A human being-question chasing after both God and nothingness. The internet is a disaster, but our starlessness might teach us something. I welcome our constant experimenting with ourselves with open arms, for ultimately they are attempts of life at living and growing in life. My dwelling is in Key West, while the dwellings of my loves are Indiana, New Mexico, Texas, Massachusetts and Arizona. These spaces are nothing. Love abides and love embraces. View all posts by Richard Q
Love the Dust
remorse for what?
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Remorse for losing the tea cup for the tea ritual. ❤️
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I mean to ask, What is this monk guilty of?
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The monk lost the tea cup to be used in the tea ritual. He had no remorse, or expressed none. I hope your days are joyful.
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Hmmm… yes, I agree with the monk. There should be no remorse for losing the teacup. The ritual had become too rigid and a true monk refuses to stand on ceremony. His practice went deeper than a tea cup. I see your tempest in a teacup!!!! You are Shakespeare!!! Sorry it took me so long. I’m slow on the draw but you are brilliant. ❤️
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This is wonderful. The monk is affirming the deepest transformations, beyond our…forms.
Thank you. You have enhanced my joy.
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It’s truly the other way around. You might not be aware of this but several people I know have been feeling an unexpected catharsis from your posts after reflecting on your words and what you share. So thank you for helping my people Richard Q. We ❤️ U.
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Your words here have rippled tenderness throughout my day. This really means a lot. I was not aware of this catharsis, but I am beginning to feel it. I have love for all of you, too. There is nothing greater than feeling others feeling with you, and transforming together. We are all full of surprises. I have been joyfully surprised again and again.
I hope this day has brought some gifts to you.
❤️
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I dunno what you’re talking about either. But… The rage is unsettled. Repression doesn’t count as being settled. Are you related to Audio Slut by any chance?
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I am unsure how to respond. I hope your days are good, I’ll start with that…!
Imagine a world where “the rage settled down.” I am glad to respond to the poem somehow expressing “repression” (I know, what a phrase!), I would like to hear a little bit more about how you think it does before I do so. I am open to any interpretation of the pieces, for they are fragments and visions.
No, I am not related to Audio Slut.
Thank you for sharing a word.
❤️
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You’re right, I just jumped right in. Sorry. I don’t imagine there can be a world without rage. I don’t see us all “settled” in our emotions at once or for long… But I get it, during the raging forest fire, the trees shoot millions of seeds and yes green shoots do happen… and that’s beautiful…
I ask about Audio Slut because I think you would like their work. They write beautifully and cosmically and philosophically and explorative-ly and they make art… It seemed like you should know each other.
I bumped you from my recent follows not knowing at all what you were about. You are welcome back if you’re interested. If not, no harm no foul. 🖖🏻
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I wanted to reply to you sooner, but I ran off to see a play, Edward Albee’s Three Tall Women.
This means a lot. I don’t mind someone jumping right in at all. It is a more-than-fine question, what occasion the monk had at all to have remorse, or regret, or guilt. Thank joy for asking the question. I want poems to live within their own world, but at the same time I want to explore every question someone has about a piece, since that is where it ends up living.
I understand the hesitancy about my following you. At least I have come to understand it, since I have noticed suspicion before…. None of us wants to be spammed or bamboozled in the realm of our reflections. I just fall in love with certain bits I come to through these sites we make, and want to see more of them.
Thank you for your reflecting further concerning rage and our emotions generally. It has me reflect more on the world I feel you were initially hinting at. I feel I share the instinct or the inspiration for that world. Your dreaming of the forest fire is a dream right alongside me. I think that captures the settling of the rage pretty brilliantly.
I am definitely going to search out the works of Audio Slut, after such a mention.
I hope you are enjoying the moments.
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I hope you enjoyed the play! I’m not familiar with it I confess. I’ll look it up. No need to say you are sorry. I realize that’s how the exchanges often are on wordpress. My email got hacked my first month on wordpress due to some wordpress bots and I almost stopped blogging immediately forever. But that made me grouchy. I wanted an outlet for my poems even if they aren’t great works of literature. lol. And thank you for your reply. This piece of yours was oddly helpful to me in the nick of time… I’ll leave it at that, but I want you to know it’s a meaningful thing to encounter your blog.
Audio Slut is on wordpress too so if you “search” with that magnifier symbol you’ll locate their site. Their work takes time to get to know and unfold… and I feel patience and sensitivity is required. But they are a blessing on WordPress, I have come to find. I hope you’ll find the same to be true.
I also hope you have a good evening Richard!
🖖🏻😬~Kincaid
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The play was a magnificent production. Three Tall Women has always been one of my favorite plays…I hope you come to it sometime.
Great literature is a series of great attempts. All we can do is attempt.
You have been a tremendous part of my feeling the meaningfulness of the writing- and feeling- and thinking-communities here on these channels. Thank you for this, for having such a heart concerned with meaning.
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Ah yes the infamous female “minstrel show” by Edward Albee… I realize his misogyny is being refuted, but how many writers are we going to “clarify” so that they can stay “great” in the cannon of theatre, when truly the plays speak for themselves?
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I believe a misogynist can be a great playwright, as a racist can be a philosopher and a bigot can be an artist. I accept even destructive limitations of human beings, and see what’s there despite them or along with them.
Thank you for this. I want to keep asking this question about his play.
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Certainly I would not censor Albees work based on what I feel about it. Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf with Burton and Taylor was unforgettable. It said a lot about alcoholism using two drunks to do it no less. Perhaps it was written for them. Brilliant all round, from script to performance, but intoxicated to boot. Is that what makes it “great” as a play in your opinion? Or what about it? In the three tall women, I saw three stereotypes of a woman that he loathed. There’s nothing wrong with writing from a place of contempt. But it’s like how I don’t think much of Bukowski. The whole “don’t try” on his tombstone when clearly he only ever tried. There was no success in either one of these peoples lives. For what they are “known” for only inspires and cultivates more a-holes.
Thanks for allowing my rant. I believe I am reacting and not “responding” to your post, so you may stop “tolerating” me at any time and I will completely understand.
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I actually do relish conversations like those I have with you. I see your responses as those rather than only rants, because I realize of myself that I can give responses that forgive too much or can seem too vague concerning where I stand. It is something of an instinct of mine.
For me Virginia Woolf is about satisfaction. The drinking, for all four of them, is more of a ritual, and it is through the ritual that we can relate to all four characters. That, and the dangerous initiation of Honey and Nick, where their imbibing means their realizing something hidden and painful about themselves.
I am absolutely in love with Burton and Taylor’s film performance as Martha and George. Albee never supported Taylor’s playing Martha. He thought she was too youthful at the time…!
The a-holes part above is the hardest for me, because I feel it is the case that there is more to both of these human beings than that. Amen.
I think Bukowski was fully aware of the disaster he was. Great and sharp criticism of the tombstone nonetheless.
Thank you, Kincaid. How you relate your understanding is brilliant and sharp.
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I tend to be spiritual without talking about it or why or how because if I begin to grant religion an inch of credit or positivity or affirmation it steals off with miles and miles and miles… and never comes to any understanding other than its own. Which I’m fine with.
I thank you for whenever you do allow me more insights, and hope when and if you ever need to be more guarded, or ambiguous it’s ok. You need no permission for how you need to explore or write. I myself don’t like explaining much of what I’m trying for in my writing. I want it to stand alone however it does… or not.
I’m glad Taylor got the role! I had no idea he didn’t want her for it. We all got lucky then. So, you see me appreciating Albee, not so much against my will, but because I have to for Richard and Liz.
Yes, there is more to these human beings than just being a-holes, but I have no use for them. I’m tired of considering them. I’ve done it long enough. I understand them in their whole being and I refuse to give them my love. And I will keep them in their proper place. As the unloved. And there are no conditions that they may redeem themselves.
That’s what their work feels like to me. Just plain old rotten and unlovable.
But I’m not a hater. Anyone who wants to go that road already taken, that rutted path, that bridge to nowhere… so be it.
Not that you are doing that.
And people should read and see the work for themselves. I read everything, not just what I’m into personally. I’m glad I’m familiar with the work so I may have a dialogue with you for example.
Thank you Richard.
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Today I just wanted to say Hi. While I have read your last responses and love them–they have truly been on my heart-mind since reading them–it will take me a bit more time to say…more!
Thank you. Your mind and heart are remarkable.
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Also, I didn’t recall Three Tall Women was by Albee until I looked at it again. So I did try to give it another chance and I’m glad I did. It’s an uncomfortable play and I didn’t find it funny, like the rest of the audience. I looked up a live performance of it. The actors did a great job with the material.
I don’t know if Virginia Woolf is about satisfaction, as you say, but you make me want to see it again too, just to find out if that’s true.
Am I a glutton for punishment? So ok I won’t write anyone off completely, as a writer or artist (if you’re the one introducing them) and so this is me reversing my “I’m done with it” pronouncement.
You’re good for the arts Richard. This is a good day.
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Yes! Thank you, Kincaid.
There will be more, but I had to say Yes!
A good day, indeed.
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I write satire and I use stereotypes too, so I don’t know if that makes my writing equally a-holey to Albee and Bukowski, or if my cultural critiques fair any “better” just because I feel like I’m cooler than they are. Not that I am at their level of technical writing. But then I’m not trying. lol. Oh well. Just thought I should be fair… although I don’t believe in equivocating. Maybe we are all chauvinists regardless of gender or fluidity in the end.
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This came to me like a lightning bolt. Especially the last sentence. Criticism and affirmation at once.
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Don’t know why I’m hemming and hawing…
I think it would be ok If I gave you a link to Audio Slut’s latest post. I just read it today: https://audioslut.wordpress.com/2023/04/03/the-day-of-bloom/
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Hemming and hawing! I love that you used that phrase! One of my grandmother’s favorites!
Thank you for passing along this post. You will hear more from me on them, I am sure. But after reading The Day of Bloom, I will certainly be returning to them to read more!
❤️
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I don’t know where I picked up hemming an hawing… but I think it was from a college chum with an appreciate for regional vernacular.
Thank you for considering Audio Slut btw!
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You really were perceptive in sending me to their pieces.
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❤️ This makes me happy, Richard Q.
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I am happy along with you. ❤️
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I’ve got one for you. What is “kindness” in your opinion Richard Q?
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Giving space. “Our last overcoming,” I heard of it once. That’s as close as I can come right now, I feel.
I hope your days have been shining.
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Thank you. I feel the same.
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Thank you, Georgie. You are probably the first person in my life to ask me what kindness is. I find that beautiful.
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People throw the word kindness around and just recently I read that Nietzsche felt compassion was weakness and that pity only garnered contempt, in the context of christian charity and so forth.
I know from somatic healing work that many people think they are being kind when really they are just re-traumatizing the person because they are trying to control the feelings rather than allow the body to feel them… Anyhow… I do appreciate your replies.
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Yes, kindness is indeed one of those misused and abused words. And Nietzsche would indeed have much to say regarding the misuse of “kindness” in the context of somatic healing! “Do not rush to pity!” was one of his phrases.
Thank you, Georgie. I will continue along this discussion anytime.
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I should add that somatic healing allows one to feel without having to focus too directly on the source of the trauma. That is “space” that relates to kindness, I would say.
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Yes, yes. And yes. I rather enjoy and affirm this connection between kindness as we are discussing it and somatic healing. You have sent me on a good path with these thoughts.
Much thanks.
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I don’t know what “our last overcoming” is or from, but I took you to mean giving people space which can mean distance (as in to be left alone) but I imagine it may also apply to making room for someone else to speak, for example. Maybe that’s basically the same thing tho.
Thank you again for answering my question.
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I like how you are taking it, and feel likewise as I think further. What you said about leaving room for others to speak I think is one of the primal and more spiritual ways of giving space for humans.
I always have the words of Nietzsche’s Zarathustra with me. In Zarathustra, kindness is called “the last overcoming” of the human being. It comes like a lightning bolt in that electric work. Somehow, in its context, the phrase is on fire.
Thank you for asking me that question.
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I read Zarathustra a long time ago. I can’t remember why I liked it, I just know I did at the time. I’ll refresh my reading of it and see what I get from it now-a-days.
Is he talking about letting go of ego by the last over coming? You don’t have to answer that for me… only if you feel compelled to expound. I’ll look in to it more tho. So, thanks.
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Even after reading Zarathustra repeatedly throughout my life so far, or twenty years of it, I still find it hard to answer that question. At least simply. It might go on for a couple responses, through time.
The passage comes like a shock in Zarathustra, in part because of what you mention in a later comment, i.e. Nietzsche’s well-known disdain for suffering-with or pity. A lot of my years with Nietzsche have been an attempt to see the ways in which Nietzsche himself might qualify this disdain. The passage we are discussing is one such qualification, I believe. Another passage that qualifies is one in which he says his ideal is “a Roman Caesar with the soul of Christ.”
While Nietzsche was not a supporter of the desideratum of egolessness, I do not think your question concerning the egolessness of kindness is completely off the mark. When you asked the question What is kindness, I at first was not going to include the words from Zarathustra in response, because I did not feel it exactly captured kindness as “giving space.” But I thought more that it does as I pondered it more. Despite all of Nietzsche’s negations and criticisms, his highest ideal was amor fati, love of fate or total life-affirmation. He also had a concern with smallness versus largeness, and reserved some of his strongest criticisms for those too small to love the world with all its contradictions. So kindness as giving space, in this case giving space to the otherness of the world that will not conform to your wishes, still has a place.
Thanks, Georgie. I hope your day is stellar.
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When he said his ideal is “a Roman Caesar with the soul of Christ” I imagine he was using the only language he could while simultaneously debunking christians. He was appealing to the “love” for their benefit certainly, but being that the Catholic Church is the product of a usurped Jesus, making the pope as a Roman Caesar with the soul of Christ, at least so they say, I would question if Nietzsche meant it as much as he was amusing himself by it. More likely he was being open with his words and provocative. Because who is any “Caesar” but an inbred dynasty? Fascists like Mussolini and Hitler easily usurped and donned his words like uniforms for their own megalomania because Nietzsche was sloppy. Not to blame him for that… They would have upside-down worlded any idea for dominion, but still the whole superman over/ober man presto Jesus truly lended to their folly.
Thank you for your thoughtful response and perspectives. You’ve been kind and helpful. I will avoid or spare you my feelings about Nietzsche’s sense of “fate” (for now) and read more of his work before I speak too soon.
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I am reminded of Camus in The Rebel:
“Nietzsche clamored for a
Roman Caesar with the soul of Christ. To his mind, this was to say yes to both slave and master. But, in
the last analysis, to say yes to both was to give one’s blessing to the stronger of the two—namely, the
master.”
Your reply is right along the twisting lines of my wrestling with Nietzsche since I first encountered him.
We must not forget Nietzsche’s sister, Elizabeth, playing her role in the misunderstanding and appropriation of her brother’s work. She worked hard, while Nietzsche was locked away from any outwardness, any outward expression, to erase anything in his work that gave the impression that he was against antisemitism and nationalism.
You gave some great incisions in your comments regarding Rome and its popes and Caesars. Just excellent. I cannot help but agree with you, and I find a sort of play in all of Nietzsche’s phrases. Perspectivism, after all…. But my instinct is to find more in this phrase (“Caesar…Christ…”) after my time with him.
I would continue this conversation indefinitely. Forgive the fragmentariness of this response. I am only fighting rushing into either agreement or disagreement, for you do not speak crassly of Nietzsche.
I hope we may speak of Nietzsche’s sense of fate at some time. This, and eternal recurrence, are Nietzsche’s pounding heart, and the hinge on which the rest somehow turns. I particularly enjoy aphorism 61 of The Wanderer and His Shadow. (Let me know if you can’t open the link.) Aphorism 61 of The Wanderer and His Shadow – One of Nietzsche’s most … https://www.reddit.com/r/Nietzsche/comments/ly1ezc/aphorism_61_of_the_wanderer_and_his_shadow_one_of/
I hope your day is strong, and filled with your type of good things.
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Elizabeth is probably partly why his view of women is complicated. On one hand she waited on him so he could escape to do his brain work. Something he would not do for himself, or did not have to do. And on the other, he could not truly talk to her about anything that mattered to him because she was so traditional. In that way they are quite common people.
I will definitely look at the link this week. I always liked the thought of aphorisms after learning about them through his work. Sadly I got rid of my Essential Nietzsche book which held the collection. I was going through my “no possessions” phase. Now I want all my books back! UG!
So Thank you for the link.
“my type of good things” are like this conversation, where we are choosing to be more earnest than grace. Where we are choosing NOT to be “good stewardly” housewives (all outer form avoiding the appearance of evil at best) that strive to get us back to “normal” according to their organizing others to be labelled and punished as sinners and devils. The problem with what has been normalized, this so-called “justice system” that religion is playing a huge part in, in this country, as the lines between church and state blur and how it was always on a foundation of white supremacy, means my “good thing” is keeping it real.
This isn’t altruism, or guilt, or righteousness…
My good thing is keeping it real.
I like you Richard. You’re Good Trouble.
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I know my reply here will be much out of place in light of the other directions our discussions have taken.
I relate to what you said about “lost books.” So much so that I can be a little obsessive about…not losing them! My grandmother always warned me, “You will regret having all these books the first time you try to move!” I have moved nine times since she told me that. I do not regret it…yet…. But they are heavy!
I will always believe that you, too, are good trouble.
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I’m reading the case for Wagner by Nietzsche and it’s clear he had problems with Wagner’s association with the Nazis. Nietzsche was NOT antisemitic. He was however, debunking Christianity. The book I have is The Complete Works of Friedrich Nietzsche volume 9 edited by Alan D. Shrift, Duncan Large, and Adrian Del Caro and based on the original organization by Ernst Behelr. I don’t have a link for you, but I do recommend this book series and in particular vol 9 as it is the end of a love affair for Nietzsche who can not convince his friend away from fascists. I am reading with with a book called Decoding Wagner (an invitation to his world of music drama) by Thomas May and it comes with a CD of music. Hitler wanted to be able to use Wagner as influence, but the people didn’t actually feel drawn to it. Still, it’s associated with Hitler in a ye old grand-wizard way today, and/or no-one knows the history of it… and just associate with Valkyries in the Disneyfied Marvel universe.
I have NO idea what I will learn from all of this, but it’s holding my attention.
I will speak more to you in the future of fate and whatever furies you or I may have encountered on our adventures…
Until then, safe journey.
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Hey, Georgie. I hope your days have been good, real. I have a sort of gratitude for your telling me about your reading der Fall Wagner. I was especially delighted to hear that you are listening to Wagner’s music while reading the work of Nietzsche and the other book on Wagner, Decoding. Listening to Wagner himself had me understand Nietzsche’s longtime adoration of Wagner. I look forward to hearing what stands out for you in the work. I would read Nietzsche contra Wagner right alongside der Fall. Many of Nietzsche’s “secrets” are in his words on Wagner.
I cannot be more thankful for Schrift et al for the work they did on getting the “whole” of Nietzsche’s work translated into English. Brilliant recommendation.
I have grown a little tired of the phrase “debunking Christianity” in regards to Nietzsche, his project, his life. It is fine, true and obvious enough and all, but there is so much more going on in Nietzsche, when it comes to the divine, when it comes to God or gods, when it comes to Christ and Christianity. Feel free to ask me or prod me on any one, for I know that this is treacherously vague. A book I can point to now, which casts a wonderful suspicion on Nietzsche’s total anti-Christianity is Pious Nietzsche by Bruce Ellison.
Your line about the Valkyries in a Disneyfied universe gave me a good smile today.
Let’s keep trudging and dancing, getting…infuriated!
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Well of course Nietzsche was most concerned with competing with his fellow philosophers but yes, he was most absolutely challenging christianity. There are no ifs and or buts about it. Maybe a few dreamy butts, tho. He fancied his best self as Dionysus… Lord Bacchus. I will continue our dialogue at some point. And do not mean to be abrupt.
I am not fully debunking christians or faith or world religions or “magic” either… Traditions play a huge role many beautiful meaningful ceremonies. It is personal for me. It’s private for me.
I am about personal boundaries. Mine have been entirely disrespected on wordpress when I have asked directly for people to leave me alone. Your whole stance on your latest post about “after all that’s what we are here for” isn’t true. “Grace” is a dirty word. Wive is another term for slave.
You are important for wordpress. Your spirit has reach. I begrudge you nothing.
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Thank you, Georgie. I will always treasure the experience I have had with you in this forum.
I am very thankful that Nietzsche engaged in philosophy in the form of a Homeric agon. Thankful too for what he did to–and for–Christianity through his visions and his work.
Your affirmation of a place for ceremony and ritual–and magic!–is captivating. I am in concord with this stance.
Our words are dirtiest when they are used as mere tools, especially as tools to suppress others’ words and hearts. Words are tools…but not only tools.
A few dreamy butts! No dreamier butt than Dionysus!
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And by dirty I mean Grace is a corrupt word. Grace is how people lie to each others face with a smile. Unless it’s grace as in dance, which is beauty and truth and art. Much like Oscar Wilde might better explain.
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Wilde would have a time with the term, and the phenomenon. Your first grace indeed leaves much to be desired. Your second grace indeed I find to be the true grace of the world, despite its–gracelessness.
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Lastly, while there may be some instances where grace as a strategy is necessary for survival, it should not become ones habit to be so full of guile.
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I love the (nearly?) slant rhyme of survival and guile! Brilliant, even if unintentional!
Although you did not say it here, thank you for the hearty words regarding my spirit. I feel likewise about you, and am grateful that we have crossed paths.
Pardon the short response. I will have more soon.
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The idea is brilliant, too, the qualification of a grace that does not become a dull and life-denying habit. The grace that comes like fire in a fire.
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I’m a little bummed, Richard, but I have to say fare the well. I’m giving up the ground to the dull faced Graces of the blogosphere and to the deaf dumb and blind Furies. WordPress is not a space I want to work in or with… as it turns out. Leastwise I want a break from tech. I want my work mode alone time.
It’s been an actual pleasure to chat with you. I do not say this lightly. I might blog in private mode… and if I do I’ll send you an invite at that time, which you’re of course not to feel pressured by.
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Hey, Georgie. It is amazing, because I had glimmers of similar thoughts today. This was quite a leap for me, to share these words online. At 37 years old, these last four months are the first time I have done anything like this. It can dull the wits and the spirit, the immediacy and the type of performance of it all.
Still, the writing is something I love, and hearing from others about the writing is something I love. This goes right (write) and all the way back to my earliest childhood. Words, words words! My love of them, and my thinking that a heart or a thousand hearts can be hinted at with them. There is something very thrilling about others spilling themselves out. I have never witnessed that before much from my contemporaries, as most of my life I have studied and written alone. When I joined “wordpress” I did not figure enough that it would come with the “social media” aspect. I wanted to create a website for scribblings and writings, as I have been so lackadaisical concerning “publishing” in my life.
I hope we cross paths again. You have astonished me in our conversations. I feel we would smile together if we met one another. No matter if you leave this sphere, please feel free to reach out anytime. I mean that and would love it. I hope your work thrives, because I feel it in you.
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Keep writing YES. I’m late seeing this reply, but you are entering new blogging at a time when the way to blog here has degraded. I’m sorry if you got hurt by recent misunderstandings or dis-connects. I hope you know no one I know wanted you harmed. Everyone I know actually likes you. It’s not going to work out online for all of us because of the open-source model. But we made some friends here and learned a lot. I hope you find it a good thing for you and that we haven’t made your time here oppressive. BIG love to you. And fear not, it’ll all work out. Everyone will be ok. I hope you will be too. I’m keeping my blog until I figure out if I want to keep it still. If that makes sense. I have researched other places like Medium to blog on, but they just got a new “Coach” who went open-source like twitter and wordpress so it’s going to be a lot of AI interference and paywalls and so information is going to be hoarded and we’ll all end up strangers. That’s my dystopian prediction. lol!!!! Yikes… but I like you Richard Q. Please be gentle with yourself and know you are the beloved. ❤️
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These words will remain close and dear to me. Thank you, Georgie. I have indeed learned a lot, and you have been a glorious teacher. ✨️
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